Friday, February 12, 2010

Christians, where in the bible does Jesus claim to BE the one and true god?

I read somewhere that Jesus never claimed to be unequivocally god, that he always said he was the son of god, etc.





I just want to know if this is true.Christians, where in the bible does Jesus claim to BE the one and true god?
Here you go, clear as can be in John 10:30





John 10:25-30


25Jesus answered, ';I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[d]; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30I and the Father are one.';Christians, where in the bible does Jesus claim to BE the one and true god?
I'd like to add that, if Jesus is indeed ';one'; with God in a literal sense, then you may wish to revise the thought of a trinity to one including many more gods as part of the same whole. This is because Jesus said that his followers were all ';one'; with each other, and wanted them to be in union with him and God. - John 17:21-24
Well... Jesus is the Son of God.





John 3:16


';For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.';





1 Corinthians 1:9


';God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful.';





1 John 4:15


';If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God.';





I hope that helped. (=
When He forgives sins


When He accepts worship


When He commands the powers of nature


When He raises the dead


When He cures lepers by an act of His will


When He rises from trhe dead


Jesus spent His entire public life doing things only God can do. Is it necessary that He say ';I AM GOD'; in words? Actions speak louder than words.
First - here's the background that all of the Jews knew.





1. God met Abraham as three men.


Genesis 18:1-2 The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. (2) Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.





2. God says His name is ';I AM';.


Exodus 3:13-14 Moses said to God, ';Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?'; (14) God said to Moses, ';I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'';





Now, here is Jesus' claim:


John 8:57-58 The Jews therefore said to him, ';You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?'; (58) Jesus said to them, ';Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM.';








Their response?


John 8:59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.





Why? They did not believe him and they knew this law.


Leviticus 24:16 anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.





P.S. When Jesus is saying He is one with the Father, He is talking relationally. Jesus is one with the Father in more than one way.
i don't recall him saying he was God specifically. You need to understand the trinity to understand Jesus's role. and since you know about it all thats left is understanding it
It is called the trinity.








The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to adequately explain it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are, therefore we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind. However, this does not mean it is not true or not based on the teachings of the Bible.





Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word ';Trinity'; is not used in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God, the fact that there are three coexistent, co-eternal persons that make up God. Understand that this is NOT in any way suggesting three Gods. The Trinity is one God made up of three persons. There is nothing wrong with using the term ';Trinity'; even though the word is not found in the Bible. It is shorter to say the word ';Trinity'; than to say ';three coexistent, co-eternal persons making up one God.'; If this presents a problem to you, consider this: the word grandfather is not used in the Bible either. Yet, we know there were grandfathers in the Bible. Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob. What should be of real importance is that the concept that is represented by the word ';Trinity'; does exist in Scripture. With the introduction out of the way, Bible verses will be given in discussion of the Trinity.





1) There is one God: Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5.





2) The Trinity consists of three Persons: Genesis 1:1; 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; Matt 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14. In the passages in the Old Testament, a knowledge of Hebrew is helpful. In Genesis 1:1, the plural noun ';Elohim'; is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22; 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for ';us'; is used. That ';Elohim'; and ';us'; refer to more than two is without question. In English, we only have two forms, singular and plural. In Hebrew, you have three forms: singular, dual, and plural. Dual is for two ONLY. In Hebrew, the dual form is used for things that come in pairs like eyes, ears, and hands. The word ';Elohim'; and the pronoun ';us'; are plural forms—definitely more than two—and must be referring to three or more, in this case Father, Son, Holy Spirit.





In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct persons in the Trinity.





3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages: In the Old Testament, ';LORD'; is distinguished from ';Lord'; (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from ';God'; (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament John 14:16-17, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit. This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all of the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another person in the Trinity—the Father.





4) Each member of the Trinity is God: The Father is God: John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2. The Son is God: John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20. The Holy Spirit is God: Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16. (The One who indwells is the Holy Spirit - Romans 8:9; John 14:16-17; Acts 2:1-4).





5) The subordination within the Trinity: Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see: Luke 22:42; John 5:36; John 20:21; 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see: John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7 and especially John 16:13-14.





6) The tasks of the individual members of the Trinity: The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.





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he didn't say that at all in fact the said the exact opposite.....Matthew 4:10 (Jesus said it himself worship only God) and John 20:17 (you can't be your own father or God).........I hope I helped take care
You are right, and in passages such as John 17:3 he made it quite clear that ';the only true God'; was someone other than himself.
God is always capitalized





He said it in a variety of ways in the Gospels. Try John 3:16
He did.
I and my Father are One, He who has seen me has seen The Father.





John 14:7-10


7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him.'; 8 Philip said to him, ';Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.'; 9 Jesus said to him, ';Have I been with you such a long time, and do you not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How do you say, 'Show us the Father?' 10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father living in me does his works.

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