Friday, February 12, 2010

How people think that God has different shapes like a man (Jesus) who eats-..& True God can not be imagined ?!?

Ahhh - a typical muslem question.





Thank you for asking. I will do my best to give it justice.





Jesus said, ';God is Spirit';.





Before Jesus was born, He eternally co-existed WITH God, AS God, as John 1:1 and 1:14 demonstrate: ';In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God.'; ... ';And the Word became flesh ... ';





Jesus is a spirit - the Spirit of God - indwelling a human body.





The human body is human, where as the Spirit is God.





The Spirit of Jesus does not get hungry. The BODY of Jesus gets hungry - and tired - and can be in physical pain - because it is a physical human body.





The Spirit of Jesus is God.





The body had to come in to this world like every other human body - through the birth canal of a woman (Mary).





But this human body did not come into existence through physical contact with a man, but rather the Spirit of God caused one of her eggs to begin growing - without the aid of a man. He just simply commanded it to start growing. This is no more difficult than for God to form a human out of clay, and breath into it the breath of life so it would become a living soul. Adam had neither mother OR father, neither egg OR sperm.





But the body of Jesus started with the egg, so God had more to work with in making the body of Jesus, then He did when He made Adam.





But remember - it was a physical, human body.





The SPIRIT of God indwelt that physical human body.





Is this getting through? You are a human. You have a human body, a human soul, and a human spirit.





Jesus is a human. He has a human body, a human soul (his mind, will and emotions), and a human spirit, but this human spirit was FILLED with God's Holy Spirit.





And just as YOU are tri-une in your basic nature (body, soul and spirit), and because God created you in the image of God, then you can begin to understand that God, too, is tri-une in HIS basic nature (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit).





You are not 3 people, but one person, with 3 distinct parts. Like wise, there are not 3 gods, but one God with 3 distinct parts.





I pray that the God of all Creation would open your eyes to this, even as He at one time in the past opened MY eyes to these same things.How people think that God has different shapes like a man (Jesus) who eats-..%26amp; True God can not be imagined ?!?
How is that people can ask the most absurd questions every single day, and not be ashamed of themselves for having less common sense than a five year old?








Jesus was sent from God. He was a the son of God,yet a man. He peed, pooed, ate, drank, clipped his fingernails. His words and his example were those fo God. God, the father of Jesus and creator of man, has been anthropormorphized in art of the Rennaisance, as an old man with a long beard, but is something that humans cannot grasp with their eyes and brain, though he has appeared to humans in guises before.How people think that God has different shapes like a man (Jesus) who eats-..%26amp; True God can not be imagined ?!?
I think the only shape got is non existent.
Priests talk of trinity as ';It is a Mystery, not explained by Jesus (peace be upon him) clearly';, at that time again those forget that Jesus said,





';I spoke openly to the world. I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where the Jews always meet, and in secret I have said nothing'; (John 18:20 (NKJ)).





If trinity is confusing enough to be called a mystery, it cannot be from God. Because:


';God is not a God of confusion.';—1 Corinthians 14:33, Revised Standard Version (RS).





People who give examples of an Egg or a family have to ask themselves whether they are “explaining” a theory like many unproven theories, or are they “proving” it.





There was no mystery in the message of Jesus, nothing secret.





(A) Jesus numerous times clearly told us about oneness of god:





1) Mark 12:29: ';the Lord our God, the lord is One';.


2) Matthew 4:10 ';You shall worship the Lord, your God, and him only you shall serve';


3) Matthew 27:46: ';Eloi (Allah?) , Eloi, lama sabachthani?'; -- which means, ';My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?';





(B) Just not that, Jesus clearly told us about God and his relationship. Also he told us that god is not in human body form.





4) John 4:24: God is SPIRIT, and those who are worshipping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth.


5) Metthew: 26:39: ';He went a little farther and fell on His face and prayed'; (Following Jesus (pbuh) way is following what he did). Jesus (pbuh) prayed to one God


6) John 5:19: ';Most truly I say to you, the son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative but only what he beholds the father doing.';





(C ) Jesus Taught us that he is a messenger (prophet) of God who was given the book (bible), which leaves no room for interpretations or believing in any other belief other than what Jesus directly taught us.





(7) John 7:16: “Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me”


(8) John : 8:54 ”Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God”





(D) Trinity doctrine of priests teaches us of three in one god all three co equal co existent. But Jesus tell us that he is noway equal to one God.





(9) John 14:28 reads-- '; You heard that I said to you,I am going away and i am coming back to you. If you loved me , you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father,BECAUSE THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I AM';





(10) Matthew 19:17. ';And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.';








Anything which contradicts above clear teachings of Jesus should be up to scrutiny to see if such teachings are coming from Jesus directly or from any other human being, and to see whether such teachings have been correctly translated or not, and things become very clear.


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Now let’s check what believers of trinity use from current translated bible, and you will know it is sad to ignore clear commandments of Jesus and go for wrongly translated, and wrongly interpreted unclear verses.





1) John 10:30 (KJV) ';I and my Father are one.';





You should also see where all '; x + x are one'; used in Bible to understand the perspective. eg,





John 17:11 ';So keep them safe by the power of the name that you have given me. Then they will be one with each other, just as you and I are one.';





';They will be saved with eachother, the way I am saved with you.';





Does it mean that 11 deciphers were actually one?





It definately means one in purpose, that's all. (John 17:11 and 22). It is all upon how it has been translated.





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2) 1 John 5:7-8 (KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.





But then people forget again, that it is a matter of translation from a dead language. As same verse has been translated in totally different way from the original.





(RSV) [7] And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth. [8] There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree.


(NKJV) Footnote - NU-Text and M-Text omit the words from in heaven (verse 7) through





Also people forget whether these verses are coming from original scripture or has been added to Bible.


John 5:7 ,,,, was thrown out of it in RSV. by 32 scholars of highest eminent, backed by 50 cooperating denominations.





G. W. and D. E. Anderson in his book ';WHY 1 JOHN 5.7–8 IS IN THE BIBLE'; mentions referring to different scholars:





The words do not occur in any Greek MS, version or quotation before the fifteenth century.
Sorry you miss-understand Jesus position as a man.


When Jesus was created, he was the first of God's creations, and gladly did his will in creating whatever God chose to come into existence through him.


That creation also included his ability to become a person on earth.


As a spirit creature he is in charge of everything today. Note, that he said I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth?


By WHOM was he given this authority?


Yes! There are those of us who do understand what has been made clear through Jesus.


And by the way, Jehovah is God's name.
http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/…





Transdimensional manefestation.
All gods are imaginary. See www.godchecker.com





Read the book ';the god delusion'; by Richard Dawkins
You are confused about the idea of the Trinity. Three persons(Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Together they are the God head.
I look at it this way.





I was taught that God is everywhere at once. The only way that God can accomplish that is to fill every quantum unit of the Universe simultaneously. From that, I deduce that God must, therefore, have the same shape of the Universe.

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